We have strong laws, we send cops out stop people to randomly check, we educate kids, we spend a ton of money on public health research, we re-engineer cars, we advocate for self-driving cars, we cut people off at bars, we have interventions and so on.User: Do you drunk drivers killed 2 to 4 times more people than aggressive drivers? It's also notable that we spend a shit ton of non-controversial money trying to work on drunk driving. So.it's pretty hard to defend that guns aren't worse than booze when it comes to harm that isn't self-inflicted. If we're looking at "deaths caused by others" we actually DO have more deaths by guns than by drunk drivers AND we have a lot more drinking and a lot more driving then we have gun owning. It's already a risky activity, but alcohol makes it riskier. People die in car accidents without alcohol involved. Notably, these are things people - at some level - do to themselves (obviously both of these are complex issues, but you get the point). The type of harm that comes with both suicide and shortening of life due to health implications of guns are very, very different from drunk driving and homicides. By this measure it starts getting pretty proportional. Happy CMVing!Īlcohol is much, much more prevalent then guns. Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views ! Any questions or concerns? Feel free to message us. If you see a comment that has broken one, it is more effective to report it than downvote it. We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. Something that might change my mind is an emphasis on the possibility that deaths by people who didn't make a bad decision themselves (aka excluding homicide deaths and drunk driving deaths) is slightly higher for driving than guns (The 10,000 drunk driving deaths includes people who were drunk, so the number of people affected who weren't drinking has to be lower.) That would make more sense if guns caused more harm. It feels like the cultural acceptance of damage caused by alcohol is far higher than damage caused by guns. Annual deaths related to drunk driving are 2.Īnnual deaths from guns are ~11k homicides and ~21k suicides. Annual deaths from alcohol for health causes are 1.
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